Curse

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 10, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Big_L

Mesmers are pretty useless in PvE imo. They are on par with the other classes in PvP however. This discussion would get interresting if people actually mentioned how they play their mesmer in pve thats so effective. Statements like "mesmers are good if you know how to play them" dont really add anything usefull.

When I play my Mesmer in PUGs or henchie groups in PvE, I don't play the role of "Killer." I use my my Mesmer to make it easier for others to do the killing, and making the Monk's healing job easier. I negate the damage dealt to my party by interrupting casters (which also damages them) and using SV on the warrior to take away the offensive weapons of whatever he's doing battle with. (Less damage = less healing needed) I'll get melee class monsters and healers to beat themselves up with Empathy and Backfire, by the time everyone else moves on to the one's I've targeted, my targets are half dead. (easier to kill!)

Quite often I do get the solo kill on a caster boss - that Ele boss in Raisu Pavillion Mission? He's got to be the DUMBEST dragon ever! Backfire is the spell of choice against him - he dies in under 10 seconds!

pve-er · Aug 10, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

I hate Mesmer when they are NOT in my team, I will kill them second to the monk as possible. they are so annoying by putting degen and cry of fraustration on my team. hex is a pain in the butt that I can never handle them well.

please Mesmer, stop being my enemy and join my team to fight on MY side

Slainster · Aug 11, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by pve-er

I hate Mesmer when they are NOT in my team, I will kill them second to the monk as possible. they are so annoying by putting degen and cry of fraustration on my team. hex is a pain in the butt that I can never handle them well.

please Mesmer, stop being my enemy and join my team to fight on MY side

We always were!

azuresun · Aug 11, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

If you know how to play a mesmer in PVE, they are extremely useful. There are certain places where an interrupt mesmer is in demand, but 85% of the time my PVE mesmer is an illusion spiker: Ineptitude, Clumsiness, and Images of Remorse combine for almost 300 dmg, 10 seconds of blindness, one interrupted attack, and -3 health degen. In PVE, even caster enemies will try and wand you. Then you add epidemic to spread the blindess. Really helps our your monks. I can still carry 2 interrupts (usually power return for the fast recharge and power drain for energy management) and some hex/enchantment removal which also just happens to help with my energy management. Plus fast casting rez is always nice.

Themis · Aug 11, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Usually, in PvE, Mesmer targets the highest enemy threat, while the rest of the group attacks "soft targets". So the only visible detail is (as azuresun points out) that the enemy War/Asn/R miss their attacks and that the enemy casters don't cast.
Sometimes, you see "%#&@"... plus some purple enemies' health bars, that's all.
Sometimes you notice buddies coming back to life fast.

But, most of the time, it's hard to see whether the Mesmer actually does something

Same applies to some Ranger or Necro builds.

Of course, when there's only the boss left (sometimes sooo hard to take down) then the group can SEE what the Mesmer is doing ! That's why some PuGs are actually looking for Mesmers to ease their way through tuff bosses.

That's life. Misunderstanding is the master word. I'm used to it, now...

lagrand1 · Aug 11, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Had to share, I only had 1/2 hour to play, so I went to RA. In 2 battles, I faced 3 mesmers. 2 of them suicided on backfire. I was laughing so hard. I use hex breaker, so they were trying to hex me, and just kept casting with backfire on them. I'm amazed that skill still works. You would think people, especially other mesmers would recognize it.

Superdarth · Aug 11, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Killaya

However there are few people who actually know how to correctly play a mesmer. But when you do find a good mesmer, they are a valuable asset to the team for sure.

QFT!

The road to being a powerful mesmer is just hard to take,the ansewer to becoming mighty just isnt obvios,because it isnt obvious its scorned by most of the community who cant figure it out.

Divineshadows · Aug 11, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Big_L

Mesmers are pretty useless in PvE imo. They are on par with the other classes in PvP however. This discussion would get interresting if people actually mentioned how they play their mesmer in pve thats so effective. Statements like "mesmers are good if you know how to play them" dont really add anything usefull.

I agree with you in principle, but late game against high level enemies mesmers can really add some nice armor ignoring damage. The other use for mesmers in PvE is for shutdown when an area is infested with monks crying for their 3 or 4 skills diversioned. Would I trust a PUG mesmer on my team to actually run a useful bar or be effective? Probably not, unless I highly screened them or gave them a skill bar and attribute setup to run with an explanation of how to run it.

Here are some examples of some skill bars that provide nice armor ignoring damage that is useful for PvE:

Migraine or Crippling Anguish {E} depending on enemy composition
Conjure Phantasm
Images of Remorse
Mantra of Persistence
Power Drain
Drain Enchantment
Inspired Hex
Ressurection Chant

Illusion - 12
Inspiration - 15
Fast Casting - 9
Healing Prayers - 3

Easy to trust a pickup with this one. Tell them to keep mantra up, press tab a lot, and spread degen to targets other than the called target.

Energy Surge {E}
Energy Burn
Shatter Enchantment
Empathy (cause every enemy in PvE attacks through empathy)
Cry of Frustration
Power Drain
Inspired Hex
Ressurection Chant

Domination - 16
Inspiration - 11
Fast Cast - 9
Healing Prayers - 2

This second one could not really be trusted to a pick up, because you're basically depending upon the fact that the player is a skilled interrupter.